tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post5591426484618180350..comments2023-06-21T18:53:11.897+10:00Comments on Pykk: wreathing round the thornUmbagollahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14556344092820711893noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-48510965350977982622015-09-14T14:27:59.097+10:002015-09-14T14:27:59.097+10:00several years ago i read quite a bit of elizabetha...several years ago i read quite a bit of elizabethan literature. i remember wishing very strongly that i could hear what english sounded like in the mouths of the citizenry of that age. after thinking it over some more, i believe that "bursting " is probably correct; like breaking through the morning dew, in some way...Mudpuddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17194891656971454279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-913022172199406972015-09-14T11:38:55.618+10:002015-09-14T11:38:55.618+10:00Yes, it could have been 'breasting.'Yes, it could have been 'breasting.'Umbagollahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556344092820711893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-77766633976930769232015-09-12T02:07:31.326+10:002015-09-12T02:07:31.326+10:00"breasting" goes back at least as far as..."breasting" goes back at least as far as 1600. Shakespeare uses it in "Henry V," when the English launch a fleet across the Channel against France:<br /><br /><i>behold the threaden sails,<br /> Borne with th' invisible and creeping wind,<br /> Draw the huge bottoms through the furrowed sea,<br /> Breasting the lofty surge.</i><br /><br />Either way works, though. scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-64716480491391124212015-09-12T01:17:59.322+10:002015-09-12T01:17:59.322+10:00"Breasting" makes sense, but when I thin..."Breasting" makes sense, but when I think of Chatterton's constant deployment of archaisms then I still find myself leaning toward Spenser's "burst." Umbagollahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556344092820711893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-88155927064451275162015-09-11T11:29:50.665+10:002015-09-11T11:29:50.665+10:00That's the one. He poisoned himself at sevente...That's the one. He poisoned himself at seventeen. A scholar mistook his imitations of medieval poetry for genuine fifteenth-century poems and he became a tragic cult figure for the early Romantics. Coleridge wrote a poem in his honour, the one that Clare calls "beautiful." "Grant me, like thee, the lyre to sound, | Like thee, with fire divine to glow --" Umbagollahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556344092820711893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-18080634918416091712015-09-11T09:25:44.042+10:002015-09-11T09:25:44.042+10:00correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't chatte...correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't chatterton the poet who commited suicide at 21 and was maybe rumored to have overused someone else's work? he inspired raves amongst some of the early reviewers as i recollect.Mudpuddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17194891656971454279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-39917480028785433222015-09-11T08:24:49.469+10:002015-09-11T08:24:49.469+10:00"Lyche kynge-cuppes brastynge wythe the morni..."Lyche kynge-cuppes brastynge wythe the morning due"<br /><br />"breasting" makes sense here, though, don't you think? All standing straight and facing the same direction? "Arranged in drear array," etc?<br /><br />Chatterton seems pretty good; I've never heard of him before but I like the clanking bounce of his poetry.<br /><br />I'm reading Smith right now (I found a used copy of the Oxford "complete poems"). Great stuff! Thanks for pointing to her work.scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-83750951326673952802015-09-10T17:06:16.018+10:002015-09-10T17:06:16.018+10:00I hope you get the chance. Just going through it t...I hope you get the chance. Just going through it to find "brast" I was coming across good moments that I'd forgotten (the word "flaggie" for a dolphin's "flaggie fin," is wonderful).Umbagollahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556344092820711893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-48539132838286113992015-09-09T14:24:20.564+10:002015-09-09T14:24:20.564+10:00i read "faery queen" some years ago-whil...i read "faery queen" some years ago-while trundling along the well known logging roads in my company truck. almost had an accident several times. i think you must be right about the "brast" although i can't say i remember the word. but the "queen" was truly delightful; not until some more years had passed did i read somewhere that it was a plea to queen elizabeth to be allowed back into her court. i should read it again, and i might if i hang on long enough...Mudpuddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17194891656971454279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-30840209159253292682015-09-09T10:03:30.446+10:002015-09-09T10:03:30.446+10:00I'm guessing it's "burst" becaus...I'm guessing it's "burst" because "brast" for "burst" is a legitimate piece of archaic language. Spenser used it in The Faerie Queene. "But dreadfull Furies which their chaines have brast." The Chatterton Wikipedia article believes that "Chatterton's "Rowleian" jargon appears to have been chiefly the result of the study of John Kersey's Dictionarium Anglo-Britannicum," but the Anglo-Britannicum defines "to brast" as "to break" and "breaking dew" doesn't sound right. He might have found it in Spenser or some other older source.Umbagollahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556344092820711893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5424364424049242300.post-48767256618605211282015-09-08T13:19:07.375+10:002015-09-08T13:19:07.375+10:00besprengedd: sprinkled? bursting with the mornin...besprengedd: sprinkled? bursting with the morning dew doesn't sound quite right to me. of course, "breasted" is not normal phrasing either, but is more logical, one might think...<br /><br />i wonder if brastyinge is found in any other contemporary source?Mudpuddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17194891656971454279noreply@blogger.com